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SAGETV: PVR SOFTWARE FOR
TV TUNER CARDS WITH BUILT-IN
HARDWARE ENCODER FOR BUILDING
YOUR OWN PC-BASED PERSONAL
VIDEO RECORDER SYSTEM

PC-TV HTPC PVR / DVR / TVR / DVCR
Personal Video Recorder / TV Recorder
Digital Video Recorder / Digital VCR

Click Here for info about customizing SageTV's menu interface

Click Here for Review of Older Version 1.4 of SageTV


OTHER PVR-RELATED SOFTWARE FOR PC?

 Click Here for Ruel's page on Snapstream Beyond TV 
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Click Here for Ruel's page on the Meedio software
Click Here for Ruel's page on Beyond Media Basic
Click for Ruel's original page on myHTPC software
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    SAGETV - POWERFUL PVR SOFTWARE
    FOR TV TUNER CARDS THAT HAVE
    BUILT-IN HARDWARE ENCODERS


    Updates to this page are ongoing and forthcoming. So visit here again soon.

    Ruel currently uses SageTV 2 with two ATI E-Home Wonder cards and a Creative Videoblaster Digital VCR card where all three cards have built-in mpeg hardware encoders. (Note that the ATI E-Home Wonder card is different from the ATI TV Wonder PCI card or the different ATI All-In-Wonder cards.) SageTV can also work with the Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 250, WinTV-PVR 250MCE, WinTV-PVR 350, and WinTV-PVR USB cards as well as several other TV Tuner cards that have built-in mpeg hardware encoders. You need a TV Tuner card that specifically has a hardware encoder to be able to use SageTV. Currently, please note that most of the TV Tuner cards that are available for sale from most vendores don't have the built-in mpeg hardware encoder. So check to see what type of TV Tuner card you are getting or using if you want to use the SageTV software.

    Also, SageTV 4 is currently available for use with TV Tuner cards that have built-in mpeg hardware encoders and with various HDTV Tuner cards such as the ATI HDTV Wonder card. SageTV 4 is also suppose to work with regular TV Tuner cards, like the Hauppauge WinTV-GO card, that are WDM-compatible and don't have built-in mpeg hardware encoders. FYI, if you need it, you can the manuals for SageTV version 2.0, or version 2.1, or version 2.2. You can also click here for a datasheet on SageTV. If you are interested, you can also check out the manual for SageTV version 3.0 and for SageTV version 4.0.

    If you are looking at the other PVR-related pages here at Ruel.Net, then you might be asking yourself: Which software does Ruel like the best? Well, stay tuned and visit this page again as Ruel updates this page.




SageTV 2 main menu with its default blue background.


    SIMPLE CUSTOMIZATION
    OF SAGETV BACKGROUND


    SageTV 2 comes with a default blue background as seen above. You can keep that or you can change the background. All you have to do is change the background1024.jpg file found in the C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV\STVs\OriginalV2\ directory. You may want to rename the origintal background1024.jpg file to background1024original.jpg and then name your favorite background graphic file image as the new background1024.jpg file. Just be sure to put your new background1024.jpg file in the aforementioned directory.

    So, as you can see from the next screenshot below, a simple change of the background picture will give SageTV a change of view that may make SageTV more appealing as to what you see on the screen.




SageTV 2 with a simple change to the background
using Ruel's favorite background picture graphic.


    There are other specialized customizations that you can do with SageTV, but the simple background change is the easiest custom change that you can do immediately.

    You can click here to see how Ruel is further tweaking and customizing the menu interface of SageTV.




You can further customize SageTV with customized .STV menu
interfaces such as this Nielm customized combo STV interface.


    MANY OF SAGETV'S BASIC SCREENS
    AND FUNCTIONS


    Below are several screenshots of many of the basic screen and functions found in SageTV to give you an idea as to how SageTV works and operates. The only difference with the SageTV in these screenshots and what you will see in the default installation of SageTV is that the SageTV in the screenshots only has the simple change to the menu background graphic. (Of course, you don't see the background graphic when you are watching the TV shows in fullscreen television mode.)




SageTV's Electronic Program Guide (EPG) is useful
for checking out the TV listings to see what's on TV.





You can get more detailed information about
a TV show or movie that you want to watch.





If you want to record but if you are recording another
show at the same time, you can resolve any conflicts.





You can pull up some brief program information on
the show you are watching while you are watching.





You can hit the ESC key to pull up an instant menu
while you are watching TV in full-screen mode.





You can check out TV shows that are recorded and waiting to be watched.





You can check out what shows are going to be recorded.





You can also search for shows you want to watch and record.





You can input your search using a remote control.





You can also check out additional airings of your favorite TV shows.





SageTV has a Media Library section where you can play your DVDs,
your other video files, your MP3 music, and your digital picture files.





Within the Media Library, you can watch your other video files in SageTV.





Also within the Media Library, you can view your digital pictures in SageTV.





Again within the Media Library, you can play your MP3 music files.





When playing your MP3s, you can play a visualization
to moves to the rhythm of your music on your TV screen.





SageTV has video recording quality settings including a few
DVD quality settings that you can use for later buring to DVD.


    USING FIREFLY
    REMOTE CONTROL
    WITH SAGETV


    I've been using the Firefly Remote Control with SageTV and found the Firefly remote to be very versatile. When you switch from one software program to another, the Firefly can automatically set up its remote control buttons to commands for each software program using "profiles" of button settings for each software program. The Firefly does come with a profile for SageTV. But I tweaked it a bit so that the Firefly remote works the way that I would want the remote to work. See picture to the right.

    As you can see, I set the "Firefly" button in the middle to go to 'Live TV', the "Menu" button to go to the EPG, the "Video" button for displaying the current Video Recordings made by SageTV, the little "TV" button for showing SageTV's Recording Schedule, the "DVD" button for displaying the menu for the Media Library & DVD, the "A" button for doing a Time Scroll to quickly skip ahead or backwards in a TV show, the "B" button for bookmarking a TV show as a 'Favorite', the "C" button for marking a TV show as 'Watched' (meaning already 'seen' which phonetically sounds like the letter 'C'), and the "D" button for marking a TV show as 'Don't Like'. If you have ever played with TiVo, then you'll see that SageTV's 'Favorite', 'Watched', and 'Don't Like' commands are similar in functionality to the Thumbs Up (green) button and Thumbs Down (red) button on the TiVo remote control.

    Now, if you want to have the same customization to the Firefly remote control as shown here, then you'll have to make some settings in both SageTV and Firefly to get this customization to work. You can get a copy of my Firefly profile for SageTV by clicking HERE -- do a right click and save the XML file to the Firefly Profiles directory which would be found at:
    C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\SnapStream\Firefly\Profiles\
    (Note that many other Firefly profile files, which you can use "as is" or customize however you want, for other popular software programs will also be found in that directory.)

    Note that IF this Firefly XML file does not work for your particular version of SageTV that you are using, you may have to edit the Firefly XML file (which is a text file) with notepad to edit the ClassName at the top of the file -- also note that you will have to use Firefly's AppIdentifier.exe (which is found in the Firefly PROGRAM directory) to find out what is the correct ClassName for your particular version of SageTV that you are using.

    And then you would want to to map certain other keyboard commands in SageTV. In SageTV, go into "Setup," "Detailed Setup," "Commands," and "Link Infrared Keystroke to SageTV Command" and then set up the following commands:

    • Ctrl-V -- TV (Firefly button)
    • Ctrl-X -- Guide (Guide button)

    • Ctrl-L -- Library (DVD button)
    • Ctrl-P -- Photos (photos button)
    • Ctrl-U -- Music Jukebox (music button)

    • Atl-S -- Recording Schedule (little TV button)
    • Ctrl-C -- SageTV Recordings (video button)

    • Ctrl-T -- Time Scroll (A button)
    • Ctrl-K -- Favorite (B button)
    • Ctrl-W -- Watched (C button)
    • Ctrl-J -- Don't Like (D button)

    • Ctrl-F -- Skip Fwd/Page Right (Fwd button)
    • Ctrl-A -- Skip Bkwd/Page Left (Rew button)
    • Ctrl-F8 and Ctrl-. -- Skip Fwd #2 (Next button)
    • Ctrl-F7 and Ctrl-, -- Skip Bkwd #2 (Prev button)

    If you study how the SageTV profile XML file for Firefly is set up (you can edit the XML file in Notepad) and also see how you can easily change keyboard commands in SageTV, then you can customize the Firefly remote control and SageTV to work in whatever way that you may want the two to work together.


    SKIP FORWARD AND
    SKIP BACKWARD INSTEAD
    OF FASTFORWARD AND
    REWIND IN SAGETV.... AND
    WHAT ABOUT SLO-MOTION?


    SageTV has Skip Forward and Skip Backward commands. There are actually two sets of Skip Fwd and Skip Bkwd commands. SageTV doesn't really have fast-forward or rewind commands -- you have to skip forward or backwards. You can adjust how far ahead or backwards that the skip buttons go forward and backwards by changing the videoframe/ff_time, videoframe/ff_time2, videoframe/rew_time, and videoframe/rew_time2 settings in the Sage.Properties file found in the C:\Program Files\Frey Technologies\SageTV directory. For my SageTV configuration, I set my Skip Fwd/Bkwd commands to go ahead/backwards 7 seconds and 30 seconds:

    • videoframe/ff_time=7000    (Skip Fwd -- 7 seconds)
    • videoframe/ff_time2=30000    (Skip Fwd #2 -- 30 seconds)
    • videoframe/rew_time=-7000    (Skip Bkwd -- 7 seconds)
    • videoframe/rew_time2=-30000    (Skip Bkwd #2 -- 30 seconds)

    Obviously, the 30 seconds for the Skip Fwd/Bkwd #2 commands are for quickly going through commercials while the shorter 7-second Skip Fwd/Bkwd commands are for simply skipping ahead or backwards a little at a time. Note that you can use the Time Scroll command (the "A" button as set up on the Firefly remote control in the preceding section) in combination with the Skip Fwd/Bkwd commands to quickly move two and a half minutes ahead or backwards and with the Skip Fwd/Bkwd #2 commands to go to the beginning or the end of whatever you are watching. Also using the Time Scroll command with the Skip Fwd #2 command will bring you up to "current" time when watching "live" TV. So, on the Firefly remote control, as set up in the previous section, you can just press the "A" button, the "Next" button, and the "A" button again to bring the TV to "current" time when watching "live" television.

    As for watching in slow motion, press the"Pause" button and then you keep the "Pause" button pressed down to watch whatever you are watching in slo-mo -or- you can tap the "Pause" button to go forward one frame at a time.


    IF YOU REALLY WANT REWIND
    AND FAST FORWARD COMMANDS
    (INSTEAD OF THE SKIP COMMANDS),
    THEN YOU CAN USE OTHER DIFFERENT
    MPEG2-COMPATIBLE SOFTWARE TO
    PLAY BACK AND WATCH YOUR
    SAGETV RECORDING FILES....


    The Frey Technologies folks behind the SageTV software have a philosophy of using the Skip Forward and the Skip Backswards commands. You can say that they don't believe in having an actual REWIND command or an actual FAST FOWARD command. Click here for the technical reason from Frey Technologies about why there are no rewind or fast forward commands in SageTV. The reason apparently deals with how SageTV has to support several different MPEG2 formats as produced by several different hardware encoder TV Tuner cards. Whatever the reason, SageTV does the skip forward and skip backwards commands instead.

    If you set the Skip Forward and the Skip Backswards commands in SageTV to the 30-second intervals as discussed in the previous section, then you can get used to using only the Skip Forward and the Skip Backswards commands in SageTV. I've gotten used to them and sometimes expect to have the same skip commands when I'm using other TV and video software. The closest thing to a REWIND or a FAST FORWARD command in SageTV is the slo-mo command that you can do with the "Pause" button to watch the video in slow motion by pressing the "Pause" button repeatedly to go forward one frame at a time -- but that would only be a "go forward" command that goes really slow.

    If you really want a REWIND command and a FAST FOWARD command, then what you can do is play your SageTV recordings in different MPEG2-compatible software such as different software like the Snapstream Beyond TV software to play back the SageTV recording files.




This is a screenshot for Beyond TV. You can use Beyond TV, PowerDVD,
or any MPEG2-compatible player for playing back SageTV recordings. But
note the filenames for the SageTV recordings will appear with no spaces
between the words in TV show episode titles. Here, Beyond TV is playing a
SageTV recording of the "Pilot" episode of the "Medical Investigation" show


    You can play the SageTV recordings in different software such as playing the SageTV .mpg files in Snapstream Beyond TV, or in PowerDVD, or in WinDVD, or in some other MPEG2-compatible player that may have fast forward and rewind commands. However, the filename for the SageTV recording that you are watching in the different software will have the title for the recorded show all scrunched up in the filename without any spaces. Specifically, when you play the SageTV recording in a different software program, such as Beyond TV, then only the filename of the SageTV .mpg recording file will appear without any spaces in the show title and the episode name. However, the show title and episode name will appear correctly in SageTV because the SageTV software's database keeps track of the full name of the show as well as the show's synopsis. You can rename the file (such as to put spaces in the filename to make the text in the filename to be more readable to the human eye), but SageTV will lose track of the file as a SageTV recording. If you keep the file in an "import" directory then SageTV should be able find the file in the SageTV media library.


    SAGETV IS PRIMARILY INTENDED
    TO PLAY MPEG2 VIDEO FILES,
    IS ABLE TO PLAY AVI / DIVX VIDEO
    FILES, BUT CANNOT PLAY WMV FILES
    (WINDOWS MEDIA VIDEO FILES)....


    SageTV is intended to record MPEG2 video files and to play MPEG2 video files. If you have any other video recordings like AVI and DivX files, then you should be able to play those files in SageTV if you have DivX installed on your system. However, SageTV cannot play WMV files (Windows Media Video files). If you want to play any WMV files that you may have, such as any WMV files that you may have recorded with Snapstream BeyondTV, then you will have to convert WMV files to MPEG2 files or to AVI / DivX files. I would typically want to convert WMV files to DivX files. So, for converting to AVI / DivX, you can use either the Advanced X Video Converter shareware program or the free STOIK Video Converter program to convert WMV files to AVI / DivX files. Of course, in order to convert to DivX files (as well as play DivX files), then DivX should also be installed on your system. You can click here to get DivX. I'm using DivX Pro, but there is also a free version of DivX on the DivX download page.




SageTV cannot play WMV (Windows Media Video) files
but you can use Advanced X Video Converter to convert
from WMV files to AVI / DivX files to be played by SageTV
(assming that you have DivX installed on your system).


    The Advanced X Video Converter and the STOIK Video Converter are relatively easy to use where you specify that you want to convert a WMV file as the input file to an AVI / DivX output file. The Advanced X Video Converter should be able to convert WMV files of any length, but the STOIK Video Converter may have problems in completely converting WMV files that are longer than 40 minutes.

    Also, if the sound is out of sync after you convert from a WMV file to an AVI / DivX file, then you may want to try using the free AVI Frame Rate Changer software to speed up or slow down the frame rate in the AVI / DivX file to put the video in sync with the audio. If the sound is out of sync, then try changing the frame rate from 30.0 to 29.9706 or even to 30.1465 (or some other number up or down) to synchronize the video with the sound for the converted video file.

    If you do use Advanced X Video Converter to convert WMV files to DivX / AVI files, you should first do any editing of the WMV files using Windows Movie Maker 2 and then afterwards convert using the Advanced X Video Converter. You may want to save the original WMV file as the original video to be saved onto a CD (or DVD) disc. If you do make any new converted files, and if you find that any converted files that you make then appear as zero-time length videos in SageTV (any video files with an erroneous zero time length will not correctly skip ahead and will not correctly skip backwards in SageTV), then you may want to go into the SageTV's Detailed Settings and remove the particular library import directory that the files are in and then add that library import directory back in to force a rescan of the files in the import directory to get the correct time lengths of any new files which have been added to the import directory.

    If you don't make any converted files from WMV files (or even from MPEG files), then you don't have to worry about any video file conversion issues.


    STAY TUNED: UPDATES FOR
    THIS PAGE AND THE OTHER
    PVR PAGES AT RUEL.NET
    ARE STILL IN PROGRESS....


    Stay tuned and visit this page again for Ruel's report about how he has been using and customizing SageTV for watching television including how Ruel is using more than one TV Tuner card to record TV shows. Updates to this page, including Ruel's report on SageTV, are forthcoming. So visit here again soon.

    Happy PC-TV Watching!
    Ruel

     

    P.S. You can CLICK HERE to see how Ruel has customized SageTV's menus.


     


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